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Johnson recalled being encouraged, “We need you to be you. They call you brash? Great, go be brash. They call you blunt? Great, go be blunt. They call you too gay? They call you too Black? They say you’re not feminine enough? Fantastic, we’ll take all of that.”

“I say, ‘Great, go to this subscription we have.’

On the way back to the airport, Phillips called to deliver the good news to Levine, who immediately told him, “Great, go hire a writing staff.”

Even though it’s the best-selling vehicle for 40-some years, he’d be like, “Great, go buy a Chevy,” and that would be the end of that conversation.

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