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Nor the time Mom test drove an admittedly delightful spicy cornbread stuffing, which was prodded disinterestedly by three ungrateful jerks who may as well have been wearing matching biker jackets embroidered with Don't F**k With Tradition on the back.

“I think of it as the mom test. I want to make sure that an artist’s ideas are being conveyed in a way that’s honest to how they’re thinking about it, while … losing the jargon around it, if there is any.”

To make sure the podcast doesn’t get too geeky, Hirway does what he calls “the mom test”, which is exactly what it sounds like.

Remind them of the “mom test”—would they want their mom to see that?

“It blows through the Mom test,” he says, which leads him to expect a big debut when trading begins.