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I’m curious, do you think that because “Emilia Pérez” is so outwardly offensive, there might be a reality where this movie becomes a cult hit among queer and trans people?

“I can't recall a program ever being cut like this since most Republican presidents have been at least outwardly supportive of it,” Baker said.

But, whisper it: outwardly, in public and for now at least, the language and diplomacy used by the two of them about each other appears to be broadly conventional.

Some of your projects, like “The Pendragon Cycle,” don’t outwardly appear to be political.

“Mental health stigma is kind of a conversation now, where people can be outwardly talking about depression or anxiety,” Silveri said.