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There was no immediate comment from the Philippine government, now led by President Ferdinand Marcos Jr., but the Department of National Defense has said that after the decision to terminate the Russian helicopter deal was made, a government committee would be convened to thresh out the details and work to recover the unspecified amount paid by the Philippine government to the Russian company.

But a conversation with him on the general principle of when to prosecute helps thresh out the issues at stake.

Philippine Airlines said Thursday that the alleged unpaid charges involve “complex legal issues” which it has been trying to thresh out with the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines for years.

But he added: "There are still details both sides must thresh out."

They had all sorts of subjects to thresh out together.