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“And where does legitimacy come from? From the people. Therefore, the desire to throw oneself into the people and feel you are supported, it’s the kind of need that arises against the backdrop of a rebellion.”

If one wanted to express a personal aspiration, the only way to do so was to throw oneself into a collective movement such as the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution.

It suddenly seems like an absurd and dangerous thing to throw oneself into the ocean for fun.

“Yes, I do. Yes, I do. It is easy out of laziness, out of weakness, to throw oneself into the lap of deity, saying, ‘I couldn’t help it; the way was set.’

“It would be absurd to throw oneself into a race with the United States; the ties that we have aren’t the same, they’re not even the same scale,” the French spokesman said on customary condition of anonymity.